I guess thats why MQ is essential to even the playing field for those unwilling to cheat.

Yup, agree.

xCs cry much?

Having to cheat in a 20 year old dieing cs community is very interesting

sounds reasonable, most of those have fairly similar playingstyles or layouts.
i guess the grouping is necessary, because otherwise you could use immunity on one map and burn a veto with the more or less similar counterpart. but even when they're grouped together, you still have to use 2 vetos to not play either of them.
for immunity's: i think in the matchup seeded vs non-seeded it would be fine if only only the non-seed gets to pick immunity.
in seed vs seed or non-seed vs non-seed i guess it would turn out in closer games if no immunities were used but at the same time you could obviously play to the teams strengths better. i'd personally would vote for no immunity in those games.

+1

Then you just add an additional veto same as you would have had before. This was all discussed previously fugs and the 1 immunity allows for each team to get a home pick 100% played.. otherwise I would of just voted for 3 vetos to be used for any set and most would save them all for tg round. Frankie had to be impartial so he made it 2 vetos in tg 1 for the other 2 sets and an immunity for tg round

The thread says we get three vetos fyi.

https://vooblycommittee.voobly.com/forum/thread/316499

He hasn't updated the thread for a month.. the immunity & 2 vetos in TG & 1 in 1v1/2v2 set was made within the last two weeks or so.

Guys im sorry for any inconvenience this may cause and i will deal with the points in hand in the thread. However i might have to put the scheduling on hold due alot of very recent work commitments along with trying to finalise the settings. I can assure you all that things will be pressing ahead just a week later than i had hoped. Thanks for understanding

@Army

Rules about draw in Zotten and Lustful? as you may know you can force every game to end up in draw, if it's the case match has to be replayed or?

Ive never seen a draw in zotten or lustful, not sure how it could happen? I do remember a case in a hf game in the last tiw between 7th and vicious where it basically became a stalemate and sab war, i cant remember what decision we made (maybe someone can remind me?). I know we all talked during the game and came to a decision as in admins, players from both teams, neutrals as well.

We have a pretty good admin team for this tourney with plenty of experience in tourneys, dealing with csers, experience in playing, map packs, map edits, moderating etc... We had a team before previously though i just want to make you aware of whos involved. As it stands the admin team stands as mich, noobish, barry, locked and i was hoping to add dave (if you see this dave), who as already helped out and is vastly experinced and respected by most. So people know as well it is to help with the running as there will be occasions where for example i cant be two places at the same time. Though and as everyone understands they wont be moderating sets their team is playing in for fairness. As always i will also consult with experienced players as well on their opinions on certain circumstances that may arise as usual.

For example in lustful, it's a 1v1 and someone got full docks in mid but nothing there with 200 galleons in sea, while the other guy just got 200 kts with a lot of stables and houses around the big land (far enough that galleons cant hit) noone has vills

who wins? Please remember its a hypothetical case so it CAN happen and it's even something you can force, imo if it's a draw whoever has more pop should win in lustful so you can't force draw easily by getting all enemys dock / siege workshops and vills and sending 1 ship to sea

if you go in big land, you can make siege also.. so obviously land > mid even without vills

I think someone dropped, we decided to play the (random) decider game first, and vicious said we could have the win if we won the decider (we were ahead in score and the herofest wouldn't matter anymore).

which part of hypothetical case didn't you understand? lol...