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I think ViVo has reached near enough to the highest attainable level in CBA Hero TG (random & mirror). However, how can he say CBA/Hero is way harder than playing any typical blood map? They're both simple. If after 3k games you feel like you've achieved some kind of mastery in CBA/Hero then I feel it is my moral duty to suggest you get some professional help for game addiction and help in overcoming learning difficulties.
In random tg you need exprience. Then theres micro, macro and strategic thinking. It applies more or less in blood maps. In most there are no macro just micro. ofc iam an outsider but from the few games that i have played this is the case.
Anyway, I can understand Vivo here. Who does he learn from if nobody is playing the maps?
- Youve got one single room with 8/8 of Bloods/RandomTG if youre lucky.
- In that room there are like 10 different maps played which are mostly straight forward but still.
- Out of those 8 players maybe 2-3 are on a high level. I mean whos active and on a good level? Camp, a few from Eot and thats it. None of 7th, none of Xcel, none of Vicious.
Hes got the same problem in CBA now. There are basically no good players left who would play the map. Obi, Totoro, StackXchange, me and I guess thats already it. The rest is either inactive or not good enough. Theres only one page (20) with players above 1900. The rest is either decayed down to 1900 cause there are no games happening or simply too bad to get above that mark.
The highest competition you can get in CS these days is 2v2 mirror CBA Hero. I repeat, these days. There has been more competition in the past for sure. But right now I could not name a single good 2v2 mirror Hero player that wouldnt be a good player in any other map if he wanted to.
Also about the quebecois issue.. atleast when I played way more actively I would always split quebecois with the next weakest.. and if it was 7 people way ahead of him depending on how bad I wanted a game I would try and find someone to replace him as I dont like games to come down to whoever gets him loses, OR I would just suck it up and play regardless.
I also believe playing well CBA/hero is way harder than playing well any typical blood map. In about 3k random tgs (starting from 0) you are probs 19xx-2k level depending on the person. I dont think that the top blood players would need to play 30k games to be where they are.
You clearly showed that isnt the case though ViVo.. you are currently 14xx in bloods and 1533 in rdm. You dont even play high level blood or random tg rooms... I would almost argue just looking through 2 pages of your blood rating you have played with 2 players who I consider to be good and still managed 14xx (Jassim/zanchy) The reason you dont play bloods or rdm is because the games you do play you get rolled in and being owned in maps you dont know well isnt fun at all... which was my entire point on why you should try to branch out as mostly everyone else who you play games with has already done or attempted to do.
You clearly showed that isnt the case though ViVo.. you are currently 14xx in bloods and 1533 in rdm. You dont even play high level blood or random tg rooms... I would almost argue just looking through 2 pages of your blood rating you have played with 2 players who I consider to be good and still managed 14xx (Jassim/zanchy) The reason you dont play bloods or rdm is because the games you do play you get rolled in and being owned in maps you dont know well isnt fun at all... which was my entire point on why you should try to branch out as mostly everyone else who you play games with has already done or attempted to do.
This just isnt true. I love being rolled over cuz it shows that i have ways to go. You dont learn by winning/playing noobs. Thats why i had negative w/l last season and why I still have it in 1v1 this season. I got raped by ber 7-40 or something like that but i kept playing him why? The reason I progress this quick is cause of this way of thinking.
You are again missing my point. Iam very well aware that I can learn bloods but for what purpose? There is no community so to speak and I dont like them enough to try and create one. You think me raj and malte are biased towards bloods but we arent. Its just they are a lot less entertaining to us in the cureent landscape of Cs; in the same way that Cba and hero dont appeal to you. You should stop measuring the competency of a Cs player by the number of maps that he knows the rules of. The only correct way evaluate the level of a cs player is by reviewing what he has acheived in what he gives a **** about.
Cs is dying and needs to be streamlined. For the health of the community no one should be playing anything other cba hero and rcb seriously. This is unless another map naturally captures enough of an audience to create a community around. Bloods had their time and it has past. The world only moves forward.
You are again missing my point. Iam very well aware that I can learn bloods but for what purpose? There is no community so to speak and I dont like them enough to try and create one. You think me raj and malte are biased towards bloods but we arent. Its just they are a lot less entertaining to us in the cureent landscape of Cs; in the same way that Cba and hero dont appeal to you. You should stop measuring the competency of a Cs player by the number of maps that he knows the rules of. The only correct way evaluate the level of a cs player is by reviewing what he has acheived in what he gives a **** about.
Cs is dying and needs to be streamlined. For the health of the community no one should be playing anything other cba hero and rcb seriously. This is unless another map naturally captures enough of an audience to create a community around. Bloods had their time and it has past. The world only moves forward.
There's still quite a lot of active blood players around that can at any point fill a room or play some games but the communitys interest just isnt what it once was... but you are saying I should base you as the best player in CS because all you care about is CBA hero and its all you play.. as opposed to someone that is also very good in hero but plays bloods and other maps at a high level? This is why CaMp will always be the best player in your team by far.
Since you havent been around for long you should know bloods goes way up and way down in activity at times.. this is the down time.. in a month or two or if some big tournament got hosted bloods activity could go way up.. and when all the active bloods players are around if you really want high quality games, those are the rooms you will want to be part of. I was trying to tell you that variety is what makes AoC as a whole much more fun... I cant sit and just play bloods only (obviously I dont enjoy CBA or Hero much) So I play other maps outside of bloods. If you can sit and do 3k + hero games and never get a little bit bored then I guess thats good for you... but you havent been around for as long as most on here have. I am sure it will eventually hit and you will wish you knew other maps just as well as you do Hero for fun and competitive purposes.
stfu and play already 11
What point on bloods isnt true? I'm full aware bloods isnt nearly as active as it once was and never once said otherwise... back in feb/march there was quite a lot of tgs happening (2018) and in may it had a bit of resurgence too... Maybe more soon as well especially if a CS war was to ever happen.
stfu and play already 11
Delete CS Mich. Remove CS lobby all together.
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